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chris2012 5:09 Mon Aug 25
Can West Ham be successful again/re-emerge?
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I'm fairly new to this forum and sometimes wonder what sort of future West Ham United may have.
The things I understand regarding West Ham United are as follows:-
1) That West Ham United a 1 of the top 4 London clubs. The other 3 are Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham.
2) West Ham United were an established Premiership Club during 1993-2002, and have encountered difficulties since 2003, but Sam Allardyce is experienced at Premiership level and can keep West Ham United established, going into the new stadium in 2016.
3) On the other hand, Manchester City - Similarities to West Ham United in London where both of these have Sky Blue in their club's colours, a 30+ year drought of not winning a major trophy (League Title, FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA Cup or European Cup) and West Ham United possibly growing as a club when they move from Upton Park to the Olympic Stadium in 2016, where West Ham United would get a possible takeover and turned into a force challenging for trophies?
In 15-20 years time, can West Ham United also realistically grow as a club and other midlands clubs such as Nottingham Forest and Aston Villa re-emerge should either of them get a takeover or progress?
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Vinny
5:15 Mon Aug 25
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In our current state there is no reason why West Ham cannot be compteting with the likes of Newcastle and Southampton for a top 8 position in the Premiership.
For me, everyone outside those core sides (Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City and Chelsea) should be looking at 6th place as an achievable goal.
Why can't West Ham compete with Everton and Tottenham? I don't think I'm being unrealistic in my hopes.
Other clubs in the Premiership outside those I have mentioned have reached Cup finals over the last few years so again, it is not unrealistic to think we could do the same.
I think people need to have a little more ambition.
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Lily Hammer
5:23 Mon Aug 25
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We are slowly, but surely on track. Depends what really is down the line when we move into the OS, but the leg of the journey we are on right now is simply staying up until we move and hopefully for a good long while after that.
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Sxboy_66
5:29 Mon Aug 25
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I agree with Vinny.
Whatever people think of our owners they can't deny that they have, and are, putting the money in to build the squad.
Look at the squad 2 years ago, a year ago even, compared to now. Stronger, deeper, better.
The club, perhaps most importantly in the modern game, is growing at a sustainable rate and improving year on year.
Of course we're never going to challenge the top 4, we are simply too far behind them in terms of financial clout, but there's no reason why we shouldn't be looking at Everton and Tottenham and thinking we can finish higher than them.
Somewhere between 5th and 8th is where we should be looking to finish more often than not, with the occasional cup win and forray into Europe on the back of it.
If we can acheive that we will be financially stable enough, and able to continually invest in the team, that we won't need to worry about what goes on from 10th downwards for a long time.
Of course this is West Ham. We'll probably find a way to fuck it up.
It's always hiding.
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Scraper
5:33 Mon Aug 25
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"Of course we're never going to challenge the top 4"
Bollox.
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Alwaysaniron
5:38 Mon Aug 25
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Top 4? No I don't think so.... However the same would have been said about Man City and those west London cunts before money was thrown at them so I suppose it's how attractive we are when we move to the OS. If some ultra rich Arab/Indian/Chinese consortium come in for us then who knows. If not, I'll accept regular top 8 with a cup or two and some forays into Europe would be nice.
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RBshorty
5:41 Mon Aug 25
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FFP will always keep the likes of us out of reach of the top four. Well at least until someone blows it out of the water in a court of law.?
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dicksie3
5:42 Mon Aug 25
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We need more financial muscle and to boost our revenue streams... This should happen when we move ground...
THE DRUIDS will collapse in tears if we do become a more competitive side year after year but they can fuck off to THE VALLEY with their beards and bobble hats - the garden gnome-looking miserable cunts...
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whu
5:47 Mon Aug 25
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there is a pot of gold ahead, called stratford
with the right board of directors and manager, top six should be within grasp in five years
this board i have some doubts over
this manager, i have 100% doubt over - he's a dinosaur cunt
have a nice day
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Sxboy_66
6:01 Mon Aug 25
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Scraper 5:33 Mon Aug 25
Like I said, we're already too far behind financially.
Chelsea, Man City, & Man Utd., will always be able to throw another couple of hundred million at the team if they start to slip or other clubs start to catch up.
The FFP rules seem to be flawed and will allow them to do so with impunity.
So on top of the money they've already spent other clubs will not be able to catch up.
That leaves other clubs trying to overhaul Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, & Everton for the 4th spot. The first 3 of those have the advantage over us financially and current squad at the moment so the chances of us being able to regularly beat all of them for league position is slim.
The only way to assure it is with an Abramovic or Mansour type owner and I'm not sure I want that.
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Lily Hammer
9:52 Mon Aug 25
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chris2012 5:09 Mon Aug 25
Good first post this, by the way. Should get a few more replies. Good debut. Are you Zarate in disguise?
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Sir Alf
11:12 Mon Aug 25
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Agree with the consensus on here. Top 4 is becoming off limits to most teams now due to the levels of investment needed. I mean Man United will spend 120 million or more this window and will still struggle to get in that top 4 IMHO. We spend 30 million and think its a lot. Its not in comparison.
For us, the immediate future, is to get to the OS, sell UP and clear the debt that has been hanging over us for so long. We should then be able to invest more in the team and hopefully become like, say, an Everton who are on the fringes of the top 4 and can give those top 4 teams a game more often than not.
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chim chim cha boo
12:00 Tue Aug 26
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The way the football winds blow now who knows what can happen next? Abramovic very nearly bought Tottenham instead of Chelsea, didn't he? Some dodgy fucker who bum-raped his own country could buy Brentford because he likes the colour of their shirts and within 5 years could have them playing in the Champions league.
I think the football bubble is bound to burst eventually but there again I've been saying the same thing about the London housing market for more years than I can remember so what the fuck do I know?
What I do know is that none of my old school Chelsea supporting mates are any happier now than they were 10 years ago. I vividly remember calling one while he was watching them win an FA Cup on telly and we had a conversation about something completely unrelated to football for about 20 minutes. 'It's only the fucking FA Cup' he said.
I'd kill myself if I ever got like that about West Ham.
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peroni
12:06 Tue Aug 26
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I just want to see attractive football, played on the floor. Hopefully, that will bring success and if it does I will embrace it.
That's because I'm West ham.......you c#nts.
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connolly8
12:13 Tue Aug 26
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Id be happy with what Everton have achieved in the last few years.
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ludo21
4:51 Tue Aug 26
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We are not too far behind financially... Chelsea and then City have shown that you can join the elite from nowhere within a couple of years.
I think it is realistic that we COULD attract serious investment once we are at the OS and join the top sides to challenge for the title and CL within the next 5-10 years.
As long as we are able to play decent enough football to fill the OS and be an attractive proposition then we will be able to attract a decent manager / players / new owners / better manager / better players etc.....
Whether that is what we all want is another matter!?
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Monk~koknee
5:02 Tue Aug 26
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I'm not sure that we were ever successful in the past. Certainly not in the Premier League era if ever. Our longest stretch at the top level was 1958 to 1978 yet only finished top 6 a handful of times. Re-creating that should not be difficult.
Anything above and beyond that in a sustainable manner will depend on future investment. Stratford and new owners could be a catalyst for that. The dilemma is what type of club do we want in the future? Success yes but at what price?
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Son of Anarchy
5:06 Tue Aug 26
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It would take man city type investment just like man city. We were similar clubs before the Arabs come in.
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chris2012
1:45 Tue Dec 16
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I agree about more ambition. Attacking football is useless unless the success/trophies is there to back it up. A successful football team needs a solid defence, and better to win games 2-1 rather than 3-2 with defensive errors. The closest West Ham United have got since is the 1986 side that finished third under John Lyall and the 1999 side or 2000 side under Harry Redknapp that finished either 5th or 6th.
As for the top division of English Football, it will always be the English Premier Division, none of this "Premier League from 1992/93 onwards" nonsense and what happened since then.
London is the capital city of England, 2 or 3 times the size of Manchester especially (the so-called "Greater Manchester" where they copied the "Greater" from London when in truth they aren't).
The local football team in EastEnders, that's right, EastEnders spelt with 2 capital Es, not the disrespectful way others spell it without those 2 capital Es is the best English soap and the local football team is West Ham United. That's why I want West Ham United to do well, just to basically remind Manchester City that they aren't all that and to stop them getting cocky and on their high horse.
It would be important for West Ham United to get their act together before someone like say, maybe QPR do if and when they were to suddenly move from Loftus Road to another ground and then win a trophy before West Ham United and West Ham United no longer being a top 4 London club - That would be disastrous. The club is currently doing well under Sam Allardyce and with ambitious owners like Sullivan, Gold and Brady who actually care about West Ham United and wanting them to be successful.
Also, the soap EastEnders is a bloody serious and well acted soap at all times. Phil Mitchell is absolutely superb and the successor to Den Watts. EastEnders had a critical point during 1989-1991 and also during 2003-2005, but that was only because of the 2 gods of EastEnders Phil and Den coming and going from the show.
Just thinking of the early years of EastEnders, late 1980s from 1985 onwards and into the early 1990s, some extra background characters wore sky blue and claret scarves, a West Ham crest inside The Queen Victoria too.
EastEnders on the BBC was launched to rival Coronation Street. Coronation Street is utter bloody garbage, badly written and badly acted, cannot be taken seriously, i'm surprised Mancunians and Salfordians aren't up in arms about that show, because Mancunians and Salfordians don't live like that at all. Whichever of EastEnders or Coronation Street loses their long serving characters in quick succession (EastEnders - Phil, Sharon, Nick, Dot AND Coronation Street - Ken, Deirdre, Rita, Emily, Gail and Audrey) would decide the fate of either show.
Both West Ham United and Manchester United were great clubs in the 1960s, but then again, some born since 1985 may get fed up of boring old people going on about what happened in the 1960s and 1970s up until 1984. Yes, West Ham United had a trio of heroes in Moore, Hurst and Peters. And Yes, Manchester United had a trio of heroes in Best, Charlton and Law. The statue of those West Ham United trio of Moore, Hurst and Peters ought to be moved to West Ham United's new stadium after West Ham United leave Upton Park.
I like West Ham United's new badge too, it's excellent a throwback to their greatest era. The designer did a great job.
Realistically, a top 10 finish similar to how Tottenham Hotspur is an achievement, but West Ham United shouldn't be finishing lower in the league than that.
As long as West Ham United fans remember that Manchester City aren't all that and they just got lucky. They're really not all that different really.
Lastly, sorry for getting off the subject, Plymouth Argyle or one of the Bristol clubs or Exeter could easily be bought and turned into a force, to make it fairer, just so that the North East/Yorkshire/Humber don't think they're all that and things to be fairer and even. There's potential for growth at a club like Plymouth if bought and turned into a force, but the best thing is that Southern clubs are getting stronger and more ambitious. You just don't want the North-South divide in England, and it to be fairer on both sides.
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Gavros
1:59 Tue Dec 16
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This club will be a very different beast in ten years time. Our job is to remind those new fans what its always been about. IRONS.
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balders
4:29 Tue Dec 16
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We have always been one of the top 10-12 clubs in England
Attendances and trophy's since the war have proved that , in the early 80s I think our attendances were in the top 6 for about 5 years
We have just lacked a board with ambition , hopefully that has changed now thanks to Sullivan
We will grow just hope we don't lose everything that made us different as most has gone already
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